Monday, November 19, 2012

Some Quick Thoughts On Secession

I don't necessarily think secession is a good idea, but that it is a conversation that needs to happen. Do not make whiny, twatwafflingly snide remarks about this, that, or the other. I have honestly never before in my life seen such blatant, unhinged, narrow minded behavior by people who seem don't seem to fully understand the concept of a democratic republic, just the club of democracy, as I have in response to the proposition of a discussion. The Democrats move further to the left, and the Republicans keep moving to the center. The Republicans nominate someone who might as well be a Democrat, two elections in a row, and that's not enough. That, in essence, is the problem with the left. It's not so much that they're tolerant, because if they were, they wouldn't insist that the right keep moving to the left. I'm not even a Republican and I see this. Anyway, I'm passing this along for the following reasons -
1. Because it is a discussion that needs to be had. I think the reaction to it is telling.
2. I think it should always be a possibility. What I want out of the discussion, is that the Republican part resets itself more Libertarian, so much so that Libertarians come into the fold instead of sitting in dark corners masturbating to texts on Austrian economics. I want America to be more of the Republic is was intended to be. And I would love for the discussion to cause the Democratic party to reflect and reset. Except for some places in the south where there might be some hold out, old school Blue Dogs, I have less hope of this happening than I do the Republican party bringing more Libertarians in.
3. The left has this real hypocritical, "My Country Right or Wrong But Only When We're in Power" streak I find loathsome on many levels. Preach about coming together, still blame and hate Bush for everything. Fuck you.
4. Why shouldn't the people of a state be able to discuss, vote, and leave the union if they see fit. "It's not going to happen," is not an answer. Neither is, "You're racist." Or, "You'll be at the mercy of Mexico, Russian, China, whoever." Would that be any worse than being at the mercy of our own out of control government? Or those who would disarm a people? Maybe we can deal with them. Maybe they'll honor the arrangements better  than our current government.

If the government fails to hold up it's end of the bargain. If it becomes tyrannical, ruins our money, becomes so infested with corruption that it is taken for granted, wages war on it's own citizens, systematically disarms them and uses government agencies to set the stage for the vindication of doing so, and grows in size, scope, and power to the point that the very system of government morphs and mutates to the point that one cannot tell where the corporations end and the government begins, why not?


  1. First, under half the folks in Texas voted. They must be mostly ok with the status quo or they would have voted. Of those that voted, 40% voted for Obama, so you have to figure they like it like it is. That makes about 70% of folks eligible to vote in Texas like things as they are.
    That right there makes a big problem for secession. Even if we pull it off, what to do with those folks? Do we revoke their citizenship? If they vote, they will just vote us back to where we were before. Ethnic cleansing? Force them at gunpoint to leave?

  2. I don't believe people didn't vote because they like the way things are going. I think people don't vote either because they don't believe their vote matters, or that they're comfortable with the way their electoral vote will likely go, without being enthusiastic enough to vote. I think a lot of people are unintentional anarchists in that regard. I think it would be our job to sway them, to convince them of the cause and it's worth.

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  4. didn't proof read...
    It's a fact most people sit out most revolutions, so maybe we can ignore them. I just can't wrap my head around people being worked up enough about this to kill and be killed. What specifically are we fighting about? The folks that advocate secession are a diverse lot, and even if it is achieved it might be followed by generations of internal fighting between the Bible party and the "leave me the fuck alone" party.

    President Rick Perry? Really? Who would lead the movement? There are exactly zero state leaders I respect.

  5. I can't argue that, and obviously I don't have any of those answers. The question to me is just whether or not it should be possible. That some would make it impossible adds to the necessity of at least the possibility.

  6. I don't think secession is something anyone is trying to actually implement at the moment, but are rather a shot across the bow of the federal government - a peaceful protest against its abuses.

    The people that are mocking and denigrating the petitions are generally speaking, the same snarky, spineless leftists that mock ANY move toward freedom and away from the growing nanny-state dependence that they have been taught to be dependent on. They don't believe in states' rights, personal responsibilities, or the parts of the Bill Of Rights / Amendments that actually empower individuals.

    As you said, it is a discussion that needs to be had. BTW, wasn't it only 3% of the population that supported or engaged in the American Revolution against the British Empire?

  7. Centuryhouse,

    Absolutely. Sorry for the insanely tardy delay, I just saw your post. Not sure how that happened.